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I'll kind of miss it. I'm looking forward to Obama's presidency, of course. He's inheriting a real mess and I hope he can make things better for everyone. That goes for my Republican friends, too, many of whom have told me they are Not Happy. I hope Obama exceeds your expectations and does right by you, too. After all, isn't the President on the side of the people/nation, and doesn't s/he do what s/he thinks is in the best interest of both? I think that's how it's supposed to work, anyway.

So here's to 2009, and Obama, and whatever's next!


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Jan. 20th, 2009 06:10 pm (UTC)
Well, it helps when you pick and choose who represents you and who represents the other side, doesn't it? How about instead I judge you by things said by people like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?

Reality's knocking at the door... maybe you should answer.
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Jan. 22nd, 2009 09:45 pm (UTC)
Awww, poor little thing. Someone called you on your bullshit and that's all you can do in response because you know that YOU. ARE. WRONG.

Typical reaction by a Republican though. Guess you're not as classy as you'd like to be.

Oh, Rush Limbaugh had this to say of the Obama Presidendcy - "I hope he fails." Explain again that whole thing about wishing that the President fails is a bad thing and not classy?
Jan. 22nd, 2009 10:03 pm (UTC)
No, I'm sorry. Republican talk radio hosts have not wished him to fail. They hope he fails at certain things, things they disagree with such as: socialized medicine, revoking the 2nd Amendment, creating a civilian national defense force, creating mandatory community service for high school and college students, reducing military funding, raising taxes on the upper income bracket, increasing government spending, and so on. They never wished him to fail over-all however. Talk radio hosts by-and-large never wish any politician to fail. If they disagree with things however, they will not throw away their beliefs and support those things with which they disagree. Your conception is fundamentally flawed. Why don't you listen to them sometime rather than just accepting what you hear from NPR, MSNBC, or CNN?
Jan. 22nd, 2009 10:28 pm (UTC)
More ignorance on parade. I rarely listen to any of the 3 you mentioned, and I never rely on any one source for info. Stop making assumptions about me. My conception is nowhere near flawed. Republicans have been spewing hate about Obama for a long time now, and many are wishing that he fails. To pretend that one side is wholly innocent is fundamentally flawed, it is living in denial.
Jan. 23rd, 2009 11:43 pm (UTC)
I am not saying that it is one sided. But, I highly doubt that you even listen to conservative talk radio. I do quite often. Not once have I heard anyone say that he/she wishes President Obama to fail. However, as with the statement that started this argument, you are sitting here being hateful whilst the conservatives are being fairly even tempered. If you can stay even tempered I would love to debate with you more often =)
Jan. 24th, 2009 06:25 am (UTC)
Limbaugh was referring to a request that he write a 400-word piece on what he hopes for from the Obama administration.

Limbaugh's response, quoted verbatim:

So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails."

Need more?

Moments later in the same segment:

Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.

What more?

So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." And that would be the most outrageous thing anybody in this climate could say. Shows you just how far gone we are.

As for your little "I would love to debate with you more often" I look at your "if you can stay even tempered comment" and look at the diseased writings in your journal and laugh. You sir, are at best full of shit if not completely insane. Comparing Obama to Hitler? Are you really concerned that people disagreeing with Obama will be rounded up and marched into the ovens soon? Anyone making such comparisons is clearly mentally defective. I do not care to debate with you because I feel you are totally incapable of rational thought. My response was simply made here to prove your claim of conservative innocence to be bull.

I'm sure you'll want to get the last word in, so please go ahead. It won't be read by me.
Jan. 24th, 2009 07:04 pm (UTC)
First, Limbaugh is one. Secondly, he began to talk about liberalism. Yes, conservatives hope that liberalism fails. You hope that conservatism fails.

Third, what are we (those of us who follow the events of today with looks to the past) supposed to think when someone starts talking about "a civilian national defense force stronger than the military"? I immediately think of the last time this was done. I think of Hitler's SA and SS.
Jan. 24th, 2009 08:16 pm (UTC)
Well, Hitler also had extreme nationalism/patriotism going on, too. Germany's pride had been severely wounded after WWI, and he promised to bring them back as a nation. This is why I think extreme patriotism is dangerous, and it made me a bit nervous after 9/11; thankfully, we didn't go that far (or most of us didn't). I did see a lot of unpleasantness, racism against Middle Easterners, mistrust of them, which was sad and wrong - but nothing approaching the level of nationalism that Hitler had. The thing is, socialism by itself is not fascism, but I think certain people would like us to equate the two. I appreciate the examples you gave of how Obama is similar to Hitler, because others have said so but not why, which of course left me thinking, "Uh... what?" And yes, those are similarities on the surface. I just do not believe it is Obama's intention to do as Hitler did and become an authoritarian ruler. Or to kill many, many innocent people who fit x, y, or z criteria.

Of course during the Bush years I was very skeptical of our government; I wonder if this is similar to that? See, for me, I don't hope conservatism fails or liberalism wins. If either won it would be good with me. But I'm not about ideaologies winning or losing; I'm about people. I believe in people more than any set dogma/doctrine. If the people can do what's best, then I'm happy. I just didn't agree with many of the ways Bush went about running the country. On the other hand, I have no doubt, it could have been worse.

As for a civilian national defense... what is meant by that? The National Guard? I don't get it... that would be a bit scary. I think of the way neighbors spied on neighbors in 1984, alternatively, or the "See something? Say something" signs at transit stations, etc. I think the government likes us to be paranoid because it helps them keep control. I am thinking and hoping that Obama won't be like that.

I do like the idea of national service in the way of AmeriCorps, and AmeriCorps NCCC though (basically a domestic Peace Corps).

Jan. 26th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
It isn't just the idea of the Civilian National Defense Force. He said that he wanted it to be stronger than our military. That's the scary bit. Not only that, but he had several other radical ideas that scared me. The similarities between the two are more numerous than I stated as well. I am not saying that the man will commit genocide, I am just saying that he ought not be fully trusted. People seem to think that he will just come in and solve everything, and they need to be woken up. Plus, the core beliefs in the conservative movement are economic. So far, I have seen nothing but the attempt to kill our economy by Obama's policies. If anyone really wants to debate those things, I am more than willing. I am not trying to say that I love any one doctrine more than another. I agree with neither party. I also don't agree with any one politician. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Jan. 24th, 2009 07:11 pm (UTC)
oh and ps, both Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama:
1. part minority, part majority
2. held mass rallies and speeches
3. talked about hope and change for the future
4. labeled their actions as progressive and/or socialistic
5. talked of lowering taxes to the lower and middle classes raising taxes else-where
6. came to the masses at a time of economic suffering using messianic speech and emotion to propel their careers
7. almost immediately changed platforms after taking office
8. talked about military action against allies
9. released war criminals from prison
Jan. 20th, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
I think that's how it's supposed to work, anyway.

It's been so long I think many have forgotten this.
Jan. 22nd, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
I think that history will look back with kind eyes on GW Bush. He gave us back our 2nd Amendment rights by appointing a wise Supreme Court Justice, he defended America from enemy threats, he gave working Americans tax-cuts which stimulated economic growth for six years, and he maintained American sovereignty by not bowing to the UN. Much of what people hated during his last 2 years were actions by the democrat-controlled congress, not by GW Bush. It was a bias in the media that created the mythos of evil being perpetrated by the President.
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